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A little bit of what we chatted about:
Meghan: Yay. Let's talk about leadership and defining a leader and I feel like this is kind of the perfect first inaugural episode because you feel like let's, let's give leader a little bit of context in how we're using it, how we perceive it, how other people perceive it, how are people irritatingly using it wrong, which I could go on and on about that for hours. What that looks like as far as what's an unapologetic leader and what does it take to be that. So I'm Kinda, I'm excited to dive into this.
Laura: Yeah, me too. And I feel like I need to put in a disclaimer because we started this whole conversation talking about cults.
Meghan: Cult leaders are great, unapologetic leaders.
Laura: We're not talking about unapologetic cult leaders, we are talking about unapologetic leaders and we both have a really different perspective on what makes a leader too. And I think they compliment each other, but we also just come from super different areas. I think it's interesting to hear all of the things that go into leadership for both of us. And it's OK if we disagree and it's OK if you disagree, if you're listening to this too.
Meghan: I mean it's not OK if you disagree and, you might not be talking about cult leadership. But, I'm totally talking about cult leadership
Laura: Podcast, episode one. Took a weird turn.
Meghan: Here we go. All right. So I took the liberty of looking up, ah, the like legit straight out of the Merriam webster dictionary a what is a leader? And it said the person who leads or commands a group, organization or country and, or an organization or company that is the most advanced or successful in a particular area. And I thought that that was incredibly interesting that they defined it as most advanced or successful with. I feel like those words couldn't be more subjective if they tried. Like, what the fuck does that mean?
Laura: Who decides the most advanced, what does that advanced mean?
Meghan: Everyone has a different definition of success or what that looks like. So take it one step further. Does it have to be the most advanced or most successful person in an area? And I'm curious what your take is on that.
Laura: Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, what's that old adage like if you're in a room where you're the smartest person, you're in the wrong room? I don't think you need to be the most successful or smartest or advanced person to be a good leader. I think leadership is a set of skills and you—and actually, I think a big part of being a leader is delegation, right? And like bringing in other people who do the work better than you do. So I would say no.
Meghan: and getting people to rally around what that vision is. I think that that for me is Kinda the most important, like getting people to all rally around this common idea or vision that you have as far as I like in business. It could be around like what they want their business to look like, what they want their life to look like, what success looks like is like a however they define it, whatever that is. For me it's also the street red and that's what's starting to become so frustrating for me because I get it. Leader and leadership are starting to be kind of like the big, the big buzz words.
Laura: I don't. I disagree. I think it's, I mean it is a Buzzword, but I think it's been a buzzword for like a jillion years to be precise. Like it's like it's always been like a word we use for succeeding. but anyway, I interrupted you, so you're about the credibility that comes with it. That makes somebody a true leader in your eyes.
Meghan: You have to have a street cred. You have—you have to have done what your leading about or what vision you're rallying people around or be living it, be experiencing it, be doing it. Whereas I'm noticing lots of people who want to be seen as a leader in a particular area or have a business in a particular area where they're—they're preaching something, for lack of a better word.
Laura: You're still on the cult train.
Meghan: It's early. It's early. I'm going to keep riding this all day that you've never done it. Or even people I'm running into that had never been apart of the the industry that they're trying to teach the nuances in or get people to rally around them and their business in that. I was already, no fuck you, you're not a leader. Like that's bullshit. Like that's pulling the wool over my eyes and that's what I think gives some businesses in this realm of bad rap and makes people kind of like paranoid about hiring other people or who they're looking at or who they're following and maybe giving a more a closer look at it because it's online. You can be whoever you want. It's, it's online, it's facebook, it's the highlight reel.
Laura: But I can tell you that that's a good clarification because I don't think you have to be the best or smartest or most advanced in that field to be a leader necessarily, but you do have to talk like you have to speak the language. Right? And so if you're, if you're the one holding the vision for the group, you have to speak the language. You have to know what the fuck you're talking about and that's just like ethical. That's just ethical, right? You're not going to go in there and be like, I'm going to be like I, I couldn't be a leader in the technology field. I can barely turn on my phone sometimes, honestly, so I need to be real about that, but I do think, yeah, I don't know. I have so many thoughts because I am a leadership mentor and coach and so my job is working with women who are in leadership positions on very internal aspects of leadership. So how do they develop themselves internally to be ready for the role and your work as a marketer is very much focused on the external of like how do we get this message literally out there to the people and how do they respond to it and how did the people that are already established leaders in your industry engaged with it and all of this stuff. So that's why I think. I think we're just a little leadership match made in heaven because I care about all the like Gushy stuff on the inside and you have great perspective and care about the external pieces of it too and I think both are valid and important.
Listen to the whole episode now to see where this ends up and hear the "devil's advocate" side to this conversation ;)
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